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PIC #2 Guelph Report, and copy of the Pictureboards

By shost at 1:11 am on Friday, February 13, 2009

First, here is a copy of the Pic display boards, which was also linked by WaterlooWarrior in comments below, (Thanks!):


Second, the comments I heard/discussed with GO/RJ Burnside personell at the PIC

  • There is strong demand for bidirectional rush hour service, not only including service to Toronto, but from Toronto to Kitchener. Somehow, it would appear that they may explore the option of providing this service at the onset in 2011. Time will tell if this is feasible though.
  • Guelph’s parking will be serviced using CIty parking. Some form of parking arrangement between the City and GO will need to be worked out, likely resulting in your GO ticket as your pass to free parking at City parking lots. Poltiically, this requires some form of cost sharing arrangement between the City and Go Transit that has yet to be determined. It would be interesting to see some form of Guelph Transit integration also included, if all stars could align on day one…
  • Significant trackwork and improvements are proposed for Guelph, an almost 10,000 foot long ‘siding track’ (Second main track), essentially upgrading the existing Siding to mainline standards to allow two trains to pass and wait at the Platform at the same time.
  • A second passing track would be installed between Kitchener and Guelph, 6000 feet in length, bordering at the Breslau park and ride station
  • VIA Rail is also looking to improve service on the North Mainline, and some form of cost sharing arrangement will be struck for the track improvements¬†(this service has yet to be fully announced by the Federal government)

What’s next? Send in your comments, this is your last chance. By April, the EA will be finalized and submitted for approval. Once approved, the next step is our Provincial Government announcing the project and funding, likely complete with negotiations with municipal governments on cost sharing arrangements. 2011 is the earliest start date if all goes without a hitch. Good luck to all involved!



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Comment by Tom West

February 19, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Page 15 of the PDF, lower section, just to the right of Georgetown station… if I understand this correctly, then the GO trains use either side of the “propsoed platform”. However, GO trains then effecticely single track working between the switch at 22.13 and the crossover at 22.67. The solution woudl be to add a crossover between the east end of the new platform and the switch at 22.13.

Thanks for posting this though!

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Comment by Robert Wightman

February 25, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

There is a switch at 22.67 right now and I do not think that it is going to be removed so the only section of single track would be between 22.67 and 23.13. I deo not think that this is too long a section of single track running even on a 15 minute headway. What is more interesting is on figures 3 and 4 of the proposed track conditions. Just west of Guelp Station there is a 1580 foot siding on the the Fergus Spur. Why does GO need to put a passing track on a spur that they do not use?. Or are they thinking about going 14 or so miles down the Fergus spur to Galt? This would be a more cost effective means for GO to get to Gal (Cambridge than spending what CP would want to up grade the Galt Sub and it is only about 5 miles longer that the CP route.

I have not driven along this spur in a long time but I am going to take a look at in the next couple of days. I remember that it runs beside the CP line (old Grand Rivcer RR I believe) down to old Galt for a fare run. I would be interested in what anyone else knows about this line.

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Comment by shost

March 9, 2009 @ 10:45 am

Robert, the proposed Guelph track improvements would eliminate trackage used by the freight company to store cars. They need a place to store freight cars, and it appears they are moving it to the old “Fergus Sub”.

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